tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post501711270255232505..comments2018-01-04T03:58:02.553-08:00Comments on Ventosus Veritas: Welcome Ichabod Referrals...glad to have you!Tim Niedfeldthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12979010561771683678noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-80567275220651236482009-07-15T20:16:09.900-07:002009-07-15T20:16:09.900-07:00Well we've discussed it a few times here and t...Well we've discussed it a few times here and there although I don't really bother him with it lately. He doesn't follow Ichabod or really any of that kind of business and isn't much interested. Really no respectable pastor should be unless it is there "off duty" hobby to dabble in the blogosphere. I'd rather my pastor work on spreading the Gospel and bringing the Means of Grace to the unchurched. <br /><br />I pointed out our first highlighting on Ichabod (regarding the name "Bible Babes")and we enjoyed the attention. We figured we were doing something right if Greg didn't like it. We both have had good laughs about it though. Pastor Ben will say "This'll probably be on the blog by Monday!" or "I'll tell you this as long as you don't post it on Ichabod tonight...". He had heard of Greg while still in the Sem. However if Pastor Ben asked me to stop causing trouble I would immediately. He is always right to the point with me.<br /><br />My point about Ichabod and such is that despite all the tripe that is printed there how can any reasonable person read it and take it seriously. I have polled a few pastors about the site. They all know its out there but they all laugh about it. That's really the sad part. Greg puts his heart into that stuff but for the most part his rantings are laughed at. Even I in my relative coldness feel a little sorry for the guy. It can't be cool to be the butt of so many jokes and probably not even realize it. <br /><br />My biggest concern is about those who are in the blogging "lifestyle" and trip over this kind of site and in this relatively small world of bloggers this whole crazy world of WELS conspiracy theories seems like a crisis is looming. It's fear mongering and sensationalism to scare a few gullible bloggers. I think Greg believes that he has a massive influence but in reality I would be surprised if even .1 %of the WELS membership(not including the called workers because they pass that around as a joke site) have ever heard of Greg. I think there is even less who are gullible enough to put a lot of faith in what he says. <br /><br />So those who end up on Ichabod should not have to fret about it. I would liken it to being posted in the New York Times as an ardent conservative hell bent against liberalism. I would be thrilled. Thats why once in awhile I post things or get involved. Just in case anyone is seeing this stuff they can know that someone thinks Greg is full of @#$%. There probably is no value in my words in this regard as I have no audience or any particular credibility but somebody should. I'm glad that Real Ichabod is doing just that. If anything it is a testament that Greg can't lie day after day and expect people won't want to fill in the actual facts or unravel his gossip. Or for heavens sake his memories are more stuck in the 90's than contemporary Christian music. Maybe if he could move on to something new<br /><br /><br />TimTim Niedfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979010561771683678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-18274692231741177452009-07-15T19:53:13.460-07:002009-07-15T19:53:13.460-07:00I saw that, too. Tim and Joe, this guy is not rig...I saw that, too. Tim and Joe, this guy is not right in the head. The others that follow his post are just angry because they are not comfortable with what they perceive as change and feel he is their "voice". Nothing is being changed but the way it's presented, but that is hard to convey to anyone who is stuck in their ways. They don't realize they don't have to choose, they can go on as they are! Traditional churches are not going to be done away with. <br /><br />I feel bad for Pastor Ben now.Cheryl L Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13539836323199773720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-66446776548976553952009-07-15T18:40:08.998-07:002009-07-15T18:40:08.998-07:00You laugh about making "headlines" but u...You laugh about making "headlines" but unfortunately the evil tentacles reach beyond you and to your pastor. How does he feel to be included (picture and comments) on the blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-41529738699325802532009-07-15T11:03:19.115-07:002009-07-15T11:03:19.115-07:00Yes Joe, I was pretty excited about the Beavis and...Yes Joe, I was pretty excited about the Beavis and Butthead picture. My first thought was, "heh heh heh heh heh you said contemporary heh heh heh heh."<br /><br />As you said once before wondering if you were insane for coming back to these blogs time and again. I am in that same place. I guess I get too much of a thrill off Greg's attention. It must feed my ego. It's like, "Yes, scored a headline...I rock." I'm just sad he deletes our comments now. Its very unsporting.<br /><br />Secret..., I'll review the video. Thats how I count and label members, prospects, guests and visitors as well as group by age ranges. I don't think we have to worry about inflating our numbers for cash. We are already self supporting, have added more staff, and have a wad of cash in the General and Land Fund. You know...a typical WELS congregation.<br /><br />TimTim Niedfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979010561771683678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-10232154221447718352009-07-15T10:07:38.049-07:002009-07-15T10:07:38.049-07:00Yeah, inflating numbers probably helps when asking...Yeah, inflating numbers probably helps when asking for more money. <br /><br />Even counting all the children who left half way though (which may have skewed my estimation) no way were 78 people there. <br /><br />Counting people who actually participated in worship, I counted about 8. (band/pastor/clappers)Secret Shoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-56420295857277414462009-07-15T09:52:17.700-07:002009-07-15T09:52:17.700-07:00To Secret Shopper,
Addressing the 8th commandment...To Secret Shopper,<br /><br />Addressing the 8th commandment comment...I'm not sure what that is in reference too, but I could care less what people say in the blogosphere. You will never hear me whip out the 8th commandment card. My theory is that if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Don't be a wuss and lob the 8th commandment cop out. I never go crying home to mommy because mean Ol' Greg picked on me and I know for certain Greg doesn't either.<br /><br />You might want to hone your estimating skills as well as sermon listening skills. The official count was 78 people on the 4th of July weekend. We have been below 100 only two times since January 1st. Memorial day weekend and July 4th weekend. Want to make a guess about Labor Day weekend? I have a nice Excel Spreadsheet with all the attendance numbers and pretty charts and graphs. All us C&C'ers have our charts and graphs to make sure we stay on track for all those numbers we have to generate. Overall average attendance for 2009 is 117 per week. However that does not reflect that every month for 18 months our average attendance is higher than the month before.<br /><br />Thats a very defining paragraph about your expectations for a WELS church. It shows exactly why you were disappointed. We are quite open that Victory is not there to be a standard WELS congregation looking to provide a WELS uniformity of worship. Any WELS person looking for what you are looking for will be disappointed. To them we say, "You might want to check out other WELS churches in the area." There is nothing wrong with that. That uniformity you desire does not have to exist and its not a requirement of Lutheranism or the WELS.<br /><br />TimTim Niedfeldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979010561771683678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-5273891878713857292009-07-15T08:52:04.900-07:002009-07-15T08:52:04.900-07:00Well things are certainly heating up since RealIch...Well things are certainly heating up since RealIchabod came along. I think GJ is feeling the heat. I'm glad someone with the command of solid Christian theology has finally taken him on toe to toe and is exposing him. (Egads, what a frightening image.)<br /><br />Well we are infamous once again on Ickybod as Beavis and Butthead. We must be winning if he has to resort to such low levels. At least he is making an idiot of himself for all to see without our help! I seem to remember someone busting you a while back for surfer Jesus and rock and roll Jesus complete with the hand signs and yet it's OK for him to post Beavis and Butthead. Go figure.<br /><br />Keep up the great work and stay the course.<br /><br />JoeJoe Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08675123326627773329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-16069541787710599562009-07-15T07:48:21.307-07:002009-07-15T07:48:21.307-07:00Hello,
I posted a response to Greg Jackson on his...Hello,<br /><br />I posted a response to Greg Jackson on his blog but it was not posted. I am hoping that I can post it here for anyone that might visit from there. First of all, a brief background on me. I live in an area where there are no WELS churches in fact church itself is on the decline. I have to get down to the basics of Christianity 101 on the simplest level with people and find the arguments of HOW church must be to be irrelivent. When I go online in search of help, I come across blogs like his that are mind numbing, that argue adiaphora "in the name of Christ" and I find it highly offensive and harmful to those of us without the benefit of any type of church. Here is the post I tried making:<br /><br />" Every time I come here, I leave offended and hurt, even though I am not fighting in this battle. I get vile chills when I read at times, because I feel like I am facing Satan himself and not fellow Christians; this site is filled with hatred. Maybe the hurt I leave with is that of feeling a bit singed. Not sure why I, or anyone, comes back, must be our sinful nature and lust for controversy.<br /><br />About the comment of having children in church being disrespectful to God, "Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Matthew 19:14 <br /><br />Brett, quit using the Lord's name in vain. Just because you state it (in Christ's name), does not make it so. "<br /><br /><br />....Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. (1 Corinthians 8:8-9)I Smell Smokenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-36776143042623964592009-07-15T06:06:50.259-07:002009-07-15T06:06:50.259-07:00No Tim, But thanks for showing your C&C creden...No Tim, But thanks for showing your C&C credentials about the 8th commandment ("do as I say, not as I do").<br /><br />I said why I attended VotL--It was close, I had a friend there, and I wanted to check it out (rather than just take the Ichabod stand)<br /><br />One of the beautiful parts of fellowship is being able to PARTICIPATE at whatever WELS church you go to. Our church body used to have that, we no longer do. <br /><br />I shouldn't have to check the website of a WELS church to see if they're suitable...they're WELS, its in the yearbook, I should be be greeted by a church service, not a performance. NO ONE was audibly or confidently singing along, people clapped after some of the hymns.Secret Shoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2747975626024743839.post-85968359258613746202009-07-14T18:55:10.434-07:002009-07-14T18:55:10.434-07:00That is interesting that your posts were deleted &...That is interesting that your posts were deleted 'cuz I saw them there and read them this afternoon! After checking out your blog I went there to see what you were talking about. I also clicked the link and listened to the whole sermon to try figure out what the person that visited your church was talking about and I have no clue.Cheryl L Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13539836323199773720noreply@blogger.com